American Psychos: Bret Easton Ellis interviews Kanye West

Kanye West can’t spell genios genuis genius. That’s one of the key details we’ve learnt from the first part of an hour long interview with Yeezus that features on the debut podcast from American Psycho author Bret Easton Ellis.

In the first part of their lengthy conversation the pair discuss movies, fashion, movies, music and movies. It’s mostly about movies. They name drop directors including Spike Jonze, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Michelangelo Antonioni, bond over their shared love for the critically savaged Pacific Rim, and clash over their opinions of Steve McQueen’s 12 Years a Slave. Kanye also reveals that the film he has seen the most is probably Menace II Society and that he rates There Will Be Blood as one of his favourite films.


While Kanye says that he doesn’t have the skill set to sonically create something as “textbook” perfect as 12 Years a Slave, he stuns Ellis with a story about his creative struggles. “If I were to write my title, going through the airport when you have to put down what you do, I would literally write ‘Creative Genius, except for two reasons: sometimes it takes too long to write that and sometimes I spell the word ‘genius’ wrong,” Kanye reveals. Ellis stifles a laugh in response.

Later Kanye credits his “drops of cheesiness” as being key to his success and explains that he is most creative when he feels childish. “The better and better I get at what I do, the younger and younger I am. Everyday I’m getting younger,” Kanye reasons. “When I made Graduation I was six years old. When I made 808s I jumped to five years old. When the Taylor Swift thing happened I had to grow back up and deliver what could be considered my most perfected work and I had to turn to a seven year old. I almost reached 10 when I did Dark Fantasy. I had to grow up for a second. Cruel Summer and Watch the Throne I was like eight and having a little bit of fun. Then when I got to Yeezus I got back to under five, like four and a half. And now I’m mentally, completely, three years old.”

The controversial pair are working on a film project together, which follows on from their previous collaboration on a spoof of the “Huey Lewis” scene from American Psycho which featured Keeping Up With the Kardashians star Scott Disick in the Patrick Bateman role. Kanye also contributed music to the Ellis’ maligned film The Canyons, which starred Lindsay Lohan and porn-star James Deen.

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